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I Want Candy
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 Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 1:47 pm Post subject:
Relatives house, not a lot of raw
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Okay, well, I'm at a relative's house for the holidays and it makes it really hard to stay raw. Americans are really bad about vegetables and fruit in their diet in the first place(hey, if you poll a group of people about their favorite vegetable, the chance is they'll say "corn", even though it's a damn grain. )
Anywho, it's recommended that even meat-eaters get 7 to 9 servings of fruits and vegetables, so you can imagine that raw vegetarians eat at least that much. I don't want to be greedy and eat up all my relatives food. I brought money with me, but I'm really ashamed to ask them to take me shopping. I've become so obese over the last few years that I'm really ashamed to ask for food at all. 
I can't eat just cooked foods because I'll feel sick again. The thing about eating my foods raw is much of the pain I feel every day is greatly diminished. My emotional state is also much improved. It's still not great, but there is no doubt about it being improved. Especially since I'm not gobbling bottles of prescriptions, I need to make sure I don't eat things taht will make me ill again. I'm used to eating out of politeness---my family is Italian stock, so believe me, they are insulted if you don't eat! But I do need someone to take me shopping for fresh things. I'll try to suck up my shame and ask later this morning.
Even skinny raw vegetarians eat HUGe amounts of salads but in my family, yu get a little tiny bowl of lettuce and it's called a "salad". Again, I worry that if I chop up raw veggies and bits of raw fruit into my salad, they'll think I'm greedy.
When I was very skinny, it was easier to starve because hey, I didn't need a lot to keep from passing out, haha. But now, as a huge pig, I do faint fast. I do have thalassemia(beta), so I try to be careful.
Does anyone who's really over-weight feel ashamed to be seen eating? All I can think is, someone is watching and they are disgusted. Probably laughing seeing me eat salads and veggies, too.
I'm rambling. I brought some grapefuits with me, so I'm going to make some juice soon.
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omnifabulous
Joined: 03 May 2007
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I Want Candy
Joined: 18 May 2006
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| Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 9:18 pm Post subject:
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| omnifabulous wrote: | | wow i didnt know corn was a grain i feel stupid now. Although i work at a pizza place and people are like "what vegatable toppings do you have?" and i go "Mushrooms even though they are technically a fungus i think, green peppers but they are technically fruits, black olives..etc" lol |
Well, I had to be truthful and say that most vegetables make me gag. When I was a cooked vegetarian, I lived off of lentil stews and pototoes. 
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dontLooke
Joined: 07 Dec 2006
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Location: Illinois
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| Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 5:18 am Post subject:
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| I Want Candy wrote: | Okay, well, I'm at a relative's house for the holidays and it makes it really hard to stay raw. Americans are really bad about vegetables and fruit in their diet in the first place(hey, if you poll a group of people about their favorite vegetable, the chance is they'll say "corn", even though it's a damn grain. )
Anywho, it's recommended that even meat-eaters get 7 to 9 servings of fruits and vegetables, so you can imagine that raw vegetarians eat at least that much. I don't want to be greedy and eat up all my relatives food. I brought money with me, but I'm really ashamed to ask them to take me shopping. I've become so obese over the last few years that I'm really ashamed to ask for food at all.
I can't eat just cooked foods because I'll feel sick again. The thing about eating my foods raw is much of the pain I feel every day is greatly diminished. My emotional state is also much improved. It's still not great, but there is no doubt about it being improved. Especially since I'm not gobbling bottles of prescriptions, I need to make sure I don't eat things taht will make me ill again. I'm used to eating out of politeness---my family is Italian stock, so believe me, they are insulted if you don't eat! But I do need someone to take me shopping for fresh things. I'll try to suck up my shame and ask later this morning.
Even skinny raw vegetarians eat HUGe amounts of salads but in my family, yu get a little tiny bowl of lettuce and it's called a "salad". Again, I worry that if I chop up raw veggies and bits of raw fruit into my salad, they'll think I'm greedy.
When I was very skinny, it was easier to starve because hey, I didn't need a lot to keep from passing out, haha. But now, as a huge pig, I do faint fast. I do have thalassemia(beta), so I try to be careful.
Does anyone who's really over-weight feel ashamed to be seen eating? All I can think is, someone is watching and they are disgusted. Probably laughing seeing me eat salads and veggies, too.
I'm rambling. I brought some grapefuits with me, so I'm going to make some juice soon.
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I know this post was written a while ago, but can I ask, are you still eating a raw food diet? If so, may I ask how long you have been eating this way and how difficult / easy you've found it to eat this way? I don't mean to be nosy, it's just that I myself tried eating this way a couple times last year, and the most I lasted was about a month. I got frustrated because I heard there would be a ton of benefits such as increased energy and weight loss, but I only lost about 1 pound, and my increased energy only seemed to last about 2 weeks before it diminished.
And yes, I agree I feel silly being overweight and eating healthy food in public, I feel like others are laughing me, which is probably why I rarely go out to eat, if ever !
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I Want Candy
Joined: 18 May 2006
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| Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 10:48 pm Post subject:
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| dontLooke wrote: | I know this post was written a while ago, but can I ask, are you still eating a raw food diet? If so, may I ask how long you have been eating this way and how difficult / easy you've found it to eat this way? I don't mean to be nosy, it's just that I myself tried eating this way a couple times last year, and the most I lasted was about a month. I got frustrated because I heard there would be a ton of benefits such as increased energy and weight loss, but I only lost about 1 pound, and my increased energy only seemed to last about 2 weeks before it diminished.
And yes, I agree I feel silly being overweight and eating healthy food in public, I feel like others are laughing me, which is probably why I rarely go out to eat, if ever ! |
Isn't it amazing that we feel DUMB for eating the way humans evolved to eat??? No one says a squat if "dieting" means to eat tiny portions of fried pork and half a packet of chocolates but they crap when they see you eating all raw fruits and veggies. So weird today.
Okay, so. Yes, I'm still on it and I feel tons better than I did before. Acid Reflux disease is gone. Shaking and fainting after eating is gone. Stomach pains after every meal is just gone. This was immediate, also.
I started this in October of last year or so and aside from being embarrassed and finding it hard at family houses, it's been very very easy for me.
On weight loss, sure I've lost weight but I really need to loose a lot. If you only lost a pound, maybe it's because you're slim? I didn't see a weight ticker so I don't know how much you weight.
oh and also, sometimes the raw diets get very heavy in the nut fats and olive and hemp oils, so you might want to limit your fat calories to no more than 10-15 percent of your total. Like no more than half an avocado or an ounce and a half of nuts or nut butter, more or less depending on you, your metabolism and your lifestyle.
On the other hand, if you go too low in fats/oils, you might become very cold and very tired. And if you don't eat fruits, you will loose energy. Humans are designed to eat mostly fruits(by that I mean also things like tomatoes and cumcumbers, etc, along with the traditional fruits like sweet fruits) and tender leaves and shoots. Look at your teeth. So don't be afraid of fruit; it's excellent engery. Veggies especially dark "greens" are great for protein. You won't need nearly the same amount of protein with raw veggies that you need if you eat meat because the body can snap up the raw protein much more easily.
If you want, we can compare daily menus. It's been a lot of experimenting with my own diet, to find out how I do on fruits or nuts or veggies. I think I'm finally beginning to find my perfect balance.
If you're shy, you can PM me to compare menus. 
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SkylaBop
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Location: UK
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| Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 12:30 am Post subject:
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Candy 
Since you're following the raw food lifestyle, I thought I'd ask you - do you know anything about green smoothies? I've read up a lot on them and I've been trying to have them regularly. They taste goooood.
Anyway, my point is, I was thinking of going on a diet of them for a while. Cals would be quite low and it would be super healthy so I don't see why the weight wouldn't fall off me. 
What do you reckon?
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dontLooke
Joined: 07 Dec 2006
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Location: Illinois
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| Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 4:11 am Post subject:
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| Quote: | Isn't it amazing that we feel DUMB for eating the way humans evolved to eat??? No one says a squat if "dieting" means to eat tiny portions of fried pork and half a packet of chocolates but they crap when they see you eating all raw fruits and veggies. So weird today.
Okay, so. Yes, I'm still on it and I feel tons better than I did before. Acid Reflux disease is gone. Shaking and fainting after eating is gone. Stomach pains after every meal is just gone. This was immediate, also.
I started this in October of last year or so and aside from being embarrassed and finding it hard at family houses, it's been very very easy for me.
On weight loss, sure I've lost weight but I really need to loose a lot. If you only lost a pound, maybe it's because you're slim? I didn't see a weight ticker so I don't know how much you weight.
oh and also, sometimes the raw diets get very heavy in the nut fats and olive and hemp oils, so you might want to limit your fat calories to no more than 10-15 percent of your total. Like no more than half an avocado or an ounce and a half of nuts or nut butter, more or less depending on you, your metabolism and your lifestyle.
On the other hand, if you go too low in fats/oils, you might become very cold and very tired. And if you don't eat fruits, you will loose energy. Humans are designed to eat mostly fruits(by that I mean also things like tomatoes and cumcumbers, etc, along with the traditional fruits like sweet fruits) and tender leaves and shoots. Look at your teeth. So don't be afraid of fruit; it's excellent engery. Veggies especially dark "greens" are great for protein. You won't need nearly the same amount of protein with raw veggies that you need if you eat meat because the body can snap up the raw protein much more easily.
If you want, we can compare daily menus. It's been a lot of experimenting with my own diet, to find out how I do on fruits or nuts or veggies. I think I'm finally beginning to find my perfect balance.
If you're shy, you can PM me to compare menus.
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First off, thank you for responding! And yes, you're right, it is dumb! I remember the time I did eat raw, my dad would always tell me, I couldnt' survive on just fruit and vegetables. I needed something with more "substance", like beans and tortillas  I didn't stop because of him though.
It's great to hear raw helped you rid acid reflux disease, that's fantastic! I heard eating raw has helped many people with ailments they may have had. That alone I guess is what keeps many people motivated to continue eating that way. When I started eating raw though, I just wanted to lose weight and have more energy. At the time I wasn't considered overweight according to my BMI, I'm 5'4 and I used to weigh 124 when I started eating raw.
And you're so right about the amount of nuts I ate affecting my lack of weight loss. Though I was surprised I didn't gain weight, because I know I was eating a TON of calories from all the nuts I ate! Unfortunately I didn't find out that's what was keeping from losing weight until after I had given back in to cooked foods. After eating what I guess would be called the "high-fat raw diet" with all the nuts and avocado, I started the 80/10/10 diet by a Dr. Graham. Have you heard of it? Well that only lasted about 2 weeks. I was eating a ton of fruit, and although I was losing weight (after having gained from eating cooked foods after quiting the high-fat raw version) my teeth were starting to get real sensitive. And I felt really weak when I tried eating nothing but bananas for a week in order to "clean" my system. Then to top it off, it made me crave meat! I haven't eaten meat in over 2 years! So I gave in to a vegan burger.
Anywho, after all that experimenting with the raw diet, I just ended up on a binging-extravaganza which lasted about 3 months. Ugh, it's been horrible, and I've gained about 15lbs. Luckily, I finally stopped binging, It's been a whole week and 2 days since I've last binged .
Sorry, I've rambled so much! It's just I know no one personally who eats alternatively other than the standard diet, so when I come on this site, I finally get to speak with people who have tried what I've tried, or understand why I eat differently. Thank you for responding, I am definitely interested in eating raw again. I just need to find that medium, where I dont' eat too much fats, but also eat enough to not feel weak. I did eat a lot of green smoothies though, those were good!
How about you, did you look towards any certain person to help you with your raw food diet? Like Alissa Cohen or Dr. Graham? Do you do those fancy raw recipes with the dehydrator and seem to take hours to make? I don't have a dehydrator, so I just stuck to fruits, green smoothies, and walnuts! TOO many walnuts So what is a normal daily menu for you?
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I Want Candy
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| Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 2:07 am Post subject:
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| SkylaBop wrote: | Candy
Since you're following the raw food lifestyle, I thought I'd ask you - do you know anything about green smoothies? I've read up a lot on them and I've been trying to have them regularly. They taste goooood.
Anyway, my point is, I was thinking of going on a diet of them for a while. Cals would be quite low and it would be super healthy so I don't see why the weight wouldn't fall off me.
What do you reckon? |
I'm so pathetic; I can't make a green smoothie to save my life! I bought a nice blender and made some hideous, omg, so sickening pulsing green foam . . . oh I'm making ma self sick just thinking about it! But yes, if you enjoy them, drink them! It's an awesome way to get greens in you. Dark greens have lots of calcium in them. Stuff like kale.
If you have recipes, feel free to post them so I can learn! 
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I Want Candy
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| Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 2:37 am Post subject:
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First off, thank you for responding! And yes, you're right, it is dumb! I remember the time I did eat raw, my dad would always tell me, I couldnt' survive on just fruit and vegetables. I needed something with more "substance", like beans and tortillas I didn't stop because of him though. |
I hear that! My dad's family is Italian! I have to say he's been good about it, but I dread eating like this near my uncle! He's totally obnoxious, lol.
| Quote: | | It's great to hear raw helped you rid acid reflux disease, that's fantastic! I heard eating raw has helped many people with ailments they may have had. That alone I guess is what keeps many people motivated to continue eating that way. When I started eating raw though, I just wanted to lose weight and have more energy. At the time I wasn't considered overweight according to my BMI, I'm 5'4 and I used to weigh 124 when I started eating raw. |
Oh, so little! I hate you. 
| Quote: | | And you're so right about the amount of nuts I ate affecting my lack of weight loss. Though I was surprised I didn't gain weight, because I know I was eating a TON of calories from all the nuts I ate! |
that's something I discovered after starting all-raw! If I binged like a pig for days on end, I did not gain one once!
| Quote: | | Unfortunately I didn't find out that's what was keeping from losing weight until after I had given back in to cooked foods. After eating what I guess would be called the "high-fat raw diet" with all the nuts and avocado, I started the 80/10/10 diet by a Dr. Graham. Have you heard of it? |
Sure, the Banana Man.
| Quote: | | Well that only lasted about 2 weeks. I was eating a ton of fruit, and although I was losing weight (after having gained from eating cooked foods after quiting the high-fat raw version) my teeth were starting to get real sensitive. And I felt really weak when I tried eating nothing but bananas for a week in order to "clean" my system. Then to top it off, it made me crave meat! I haven't eaten meat in over 2 years! So I gave in to a vegan burger. |
Blast those damned bananas!
| Quote: | | Anywho, after all that experimenting with the raw diet, I just ended up on a binging-extravaganza which lasted about 3 months. Ugh, it's been horrible, and I've gained about 15lbs. Luckily, I finally stopped binging, It's been a whole week and 2 days since I've last binged . |
Most awesome! Good job. I mean, it's very hard to stop binging.
| Quote: | Sorry, I've rambled so much! It's just I know no one personally who eats alternatively other than the standard diet, so when I come on this site, I finally get to speak with people who have tried what I've tried, or understand why I eat differently. Thank you for responding, I am definitely interested in eating raw again. I just need to find that medium, where I dont' eat too much fats, but also eat enough to not feel weak. I did eat a lot of green smoothies though, those were good!
How about you, did you look towards any certain person to help you with your raw food diet? Like Alissa Cohen or Dr. Graham? Do you do those fancy raw recipes with the dehydrator and seem to take hours to make? I don't have a dehydrator, so I just stuck to fruits, green smoothies, and walnuts! TOO many walnuts So what is a normal daily menu for you? |
You don't ramble, not at all! Yay, you're right about the right balance of fats and fruits for yourself. Some people do really well on high fat loads. I don't. It ruins my temperature for some reason and I get loggy. I also become very depressed, so I try to set limits for nuts, seeds and nut butters(much as I adore them).
I guess my favorite persons are the folks who created the "Garden Diet", Storm and Jinjee are their names. They have 5 raw vegan children, all beautiful, healthy and very bright. Jinjee just had the last baby and her tummy is fabulous. I'll try to remember to grab a pic. Storm has been a raw vegan for 30 years. He presents a good case for eating raw vegetarian and lays out a nice plan for weaning off of cooked foods and meat/dairy and getting onto raw.
I just wish I had paid attention and read up on their advice BEFORE I went all-raw! I did it on my own and went almost 100 percent raw all at once! I felt like I had the flu for a long time, then things just righted themselves.
Alissa is a good girl. I haven't read her book only because my funds are too limited to buy all the books on raw I want, but she has a nice site and chat room.
My favorite raw site, though, is Gone Raw. They are truly so sweet there.
Have you visited Angela Stoke's site and read her story yet? She's actually the person that prompted me to go raw, instead of just contemplate.
I'm actually only about 99 percent raw because I do like my hot tea(and once in a while, a coffee). I plan on being bad and making some chawan mushi in the future, too, when I loose more, to celebrate. I imagine I'll have a tummy ache, too, hahaaaaaa!
Okay, I'll shut up. An average day is actually pretty low in calories compared to most normal people(but a lot for this site). Ummm, I usually have grapefruit, whole or fresh-squeezed, in the morning. If it's squeezed, I add fresh grated ginger to it, yumm. Then about an hour later, I'll have more fruit, like melon. A couple of hours later, I'll snack on carrots with raw hummus(I sprout the garbonzos myself).
Lunch may be a huge green salad with veggies cut up on it, with a handful of alfalfa sprouts(I grow those, too).
Snacks of fruit and tea.
Dinner of either a salad with sprouts and avocado(my fat) or often I make zuchinni "pasta" with a raw sauce of basil-tomatoe and a bit of tahini. I love that sauce; it's my own recipe. The smidge of tahini gives the sauce a "creamy" texture like you've added cream to it. Other times I'll try one of the veggie, low-cal recipes from the Gone Raw forums.
Then I have a snack of veggies and fruit.
This all sounds like a lot, but my calories usually go between 900 and 1100, unless I over-indulge in nuts and seeds.
Oh, and I don't eat olive oil often. I do like it a lot, but it's a very concentrated form of fat and loaded with calories. So I try to keep it to just a couple of times a month. When I make the hummus, I use tahini(about half the required amount), lemon juice and water in lieu of all the olive oil in most recipes. I know tahini is fatty so I count that in as fat calories too.
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dontLooke
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| Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 5:30 am Post subject:
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| Quote: | | I guess my favorite persons are the folks who created the "Garden Diet", Storm and Jinjee are their names. They have 5 raw vegan children, all beautiful, healthy and very bright. Jinjee just had the last baby and her tummy is fabulous. I'll try to remember to grab a pic. Storm has been a raw vegan for 30 years. He presents a good case for eating raw vegetarian and lays out a nice plan for weaning off of cooked foods and meat/dairy and getting onto raw. |
Yes I've definitely heard of them. I actually get their Daily Raw Inspiration newsletter, have you heard of the Raw Vegan Village they're planning on? It sounds amazing, can you imagine, living in a society where fresh fruit and vegetables were always available, and I could go out to eat and there would be more options other than just a salad!
| Quote: | I just wish I had paid attention and read up on their advice BEFORE I went all-raw! I did it on my own and went almost 100 percent raw all at once! I felt like I had the flu for a long time, then things just righted themselves.
Alissa is a good girl. I haven't read her book only because my funds are too limited to buy all the books on raw I want, but she has a nice site and chat room.
My favorite raw site, though, is Gone Raw. They are truly so sweet there.
Have you visited Angela Stoke's site and read her story yet? She's actually the person that prompted me to go raw, instead of just contemplate.
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Wow hats off to you to have gone almost 100% raw all at once on your own! I finally had gone almost a month straight when I joined the 30 day challenge on the Alissa Cohen site, the members on there I think are incredibly nice, and very supportive! I never bought her book though either.
And yes, I have been to the Gone Raw site, only a couple times, I think I tried one of their raw ice cream recipes once, and it was real good. Unfortunately, I really suck at recipes and cooking, or in this case "un-cooking" everytime I tried a recipe, it turned out horrid. The only ones that worked for me was a walnut taco meat which i basically lived on. It was the only meal that left me feeling full.
And I've also heard Angela Stokes story, who I think looks amazing! Her transformation was very inspiring. Basically I think I've done visited about every site there could be on the raw food diet. And all the raw gurus, like Frederic Patenaude, Victoria Boutenko ( I actually went to a seminar of her once), David Wolfe, Shazzie...you see I tend to get a little google-crazy when I find out about new methods to be healthier.
| Quote: | | Okay, I'll shut up. An average day is actually pretty low in calories compared to most normal people(but a lot for this site). Ummm, I usually have grapefruit, whole or fresh-squeezed, in the morning. If it's squeezed, I add fresh grated ginger to it, yumm. Then about an hour later, I'll have more fruit, like melon. A couple of hours later, I'll snack on carrots with raw hummus(I sprout the garbonzos myself). |
No, please don't shut up! haha You grew your own sprouts! I always told myself I would, but I very rarely stick to anything that takes too long to make. You have to wait hours for those to be ready right? The most effort I made in raw food was when I made almond milk, cuz I had to soak them for a couple hours, then wait for them to dry, then blend them then strain it , ugh too much work for me! haha sorry it's just that I'm more of a grab an apple and let's go type of gal. Although the almond milk was worth it cuz it tasted real good, I didn't' stick to it, because I didn't like all the effort/time I had to put into it, lazy I know! Plus I'd have to blend a boatload of almonds for just a cup of milk. Too expensive/wasteful I thought because I had to throw away all the almond pulp leftover after straining. I tried using the pulp in recipes, but again I screwed them up.
I tried that zucchini pasta too once, unfortunately I screwed up the "sauce" part and ruined the whole thing. I'm telling you I suck at recipes, somehow it always ended up gross. Which is why I usually stuck to fruit, green smoothies, walnut tacos, and cucumber salad. Seriously that's all I ate. I got tired of it after awhile. I guess i'm so used to just grabbing something and then I'm off. Or when I get home I just eat whatever my mom made (as long as its' vegan friendly).
I'm not used to chopping, and soaking, and buying special raw foods. That was another thing I didn't enjoy too much about raw recipes was the weird ingredients they sometimes called for, and by weird I mean ingredients I couldn't buy at walmart or the fruit market I usually go to. I would have to go to a natural food store, for things like raw coconut oil, raw walnuts/almonds/cashews, dates or raw agave nectar.
I know this sounds like I"m just ragging on the raw food diet and I'm just making excuses as to why I didn't stick to it, but I really don't mean to. This is just honestly some of the things I experienced on it, and as unhappy it might sound that I was, I still would like to try to go back. I just wish I could do it simply, without all those recipes yet still be satisfied and not get bored with what I ate. Or you know what would be even better, is if I could find me a raw vegan partner that would un-cook for me! haha that would be great! Or maybe I could give my mom a raw cook book! haha j/k.
Anywho, now I'm rambling again, but can I ask do you get bored? Or do you make enough different recipes to not get tired of the same thing? Especially dinner, what do you eat to feel satisfied? Breakfast and lunch I could easily just eat fruit/smoothies and be okay but dinner is just so hard because I felt like that actually had to be a "meal". Something I'd have to eat on a plate with a fork. Or is it just something you have to get used to? Thank you again for all your time & advice, it's really helpful!
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